More Options for Finance Integration
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Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
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Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
Deko support Novuna finance.
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Phil Topliss
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime Can you advise how that would work, do we need a Deko account, or something else
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Phil Topliss Just jumped on to the Deko website and it say that a minimum turnover of £1.5M is required to open an account!!
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
Info We've worked with Deko, and they've worked with Novuna to create an option for all of our customers, that is one reason this has taken so long to get sorted.
We're not clear on how people will be onboarded at this time, but we'll be working with Deko on that in the coming weeks.
Deko are a finance gateway so they can support multiple finance providers, but we've focused on a deal with them and Novuna.
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
The software project with Deko has now started, implementation will be May/June time.
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Phil Topliss
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime Will this also include Novuna intergration
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
Phil Topliss yes as deko support Novuna
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The sooner the better if the fees are less than V12!!
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
We've been writing the general finance calculation logic into our overhauled checkout (this will apply to Deko), this is now code reviewed and has test coverage and is in the code tree now. It was that interesting I did 13 straight hours on it last Thursday 0530-1845, when code catches your interest its hard to stop! We also recognise the value in this feature so we are keen to get it completed.
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
We have signed a contract with Deko and we can support Novuna thru them.
We're working on an overhaul of our checkout, which is coming along well, we're aiming for code complete on the checkout by the turn of the year and then we can look at Deko integration. I'd guess Q2 next year as a launch date, but that depends on development progress and the complexity of the API.
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Paul Sharp
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime are they definitely dealing with smaller retailers and not asking for large turnovers? We are in the process of removing Klarna as we’ve just sold a £4,500 bike online, the customer chose Klarna at checkout and we got the figures through yesterday, we got £200 after paying for the bike and Klarna got £950 🤷♂️🤯 We desperately need another finance offering
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
Paul Sharp that was part of the deal that we put together, that they would cover all our customers. The finance market has changed as banks pull funding for those providing consumer finance but it’s looking good particularly with interest rates starting to fall.
I saw one finance provider raise funds at north of 10% last year and they’d need to lend at a much higher rate to cover their own risk and profits. It’s a tough game right now.
Fingers crossed this helps as it’s been a nightmare process, we did a deal with Santander and then they pulled out of providing finance on bikes, taking us back to square one.
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
We're making real progress now, it's looking like we'll be able to support Novuna as our primary option but via a finance gateway (Deko) which means we can have other lenders available.
This means if change happens in the marketplace our customers don't get 'stuck' on one vendor or if as has happened before a finance vendor just pulls our at short notice we're not all stuck.
It's been an absolute battle to get this far with the commercials, operating in this way is more expensive for Citrus-Lime but we wanted to get something which is hopefully future proof, the whole situation with the legacy providers in cycle falling out with our customers has been a nightmare for us and our customer base.
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Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime Any progress update?
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
All,
Just an update here. We've been speaking to both Novuna and a finance gateway (Deko) which would perhaps prevent us ending up in a situation whereby a provider changes rates and we're the blocker to our customers working to find a more competitive finance offering. https://www.dekopay.com/
Both Deko and Novuna will support retailers much smaller in the cycle space than V12, so that is an exciting development as well.
We have a major project underway to replace our current checkout from V2 to V3, it needs modernising, but also its exceptionally complex to add new payment providers, this work is going on in anger and once completed we'll work to add more finance options. I'd estimate we'll be ready to onboard people in the Autumn to the V3 checkout and that should have better finance options.
I think at launch we might not support the margin functionality we have with V12 and I think it will be unlikely we'll allow the customisation of deposit levels. We've made a rod for our own back here, other platforms don't support these pieces of functionality but its made the work required to integrate a new finance provider far harder than it needs to be which has stopped us doing something last year.
Overall we're now moving on this issue, you can speak to the Success Team to see concepts of the new checkout which will be easier for consumers to use, be covered by automated testing to reduce problems and head off bugs before they get deployed and it will be far easier to add more payment options.
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Paul Sharp
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime we filled in the Deko contact form but no one has replied and when you click on get in touch it states if you have a minimum turnover of £1.5m which I am sure a lot of small business don't have. Have they given you any other information that they would look at smaller independent bike shops with less than £1.5m turnover?
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
Paul Sharp: The offering we're working on should cover all cycle stores I don't believe there is a minimum size, that was a major holdup getting something 'done'.
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
We're still involved in the legals here, the draft Novuna terms are not currently ones which protect Citrus-Lime and our customers.
For example we'd be legally liable for the presentation of finance elements, something not completely within our or our clients control as the data comes from the Novuna API or can be altered via Google Tag Manager. Also from a risk reward basis the commercials on offer are a trickle payment for support so there is no reason we'd incur legal risk here.
Novuna have indicted they'll send that back to their legal team.
Nothing can be progressed until this is resolved. We've had similar issues with PayPal where the legals took six months and the software development part six weeks, it's unfortunately a vital part of the process when we're processing hundreds of millions of finance orders over a three year period.
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Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime Any updates?
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Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime Any updates?
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Phil Topliss
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime has there been any more progress, we want to move from V12 ASAP
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime
Phil Topliss
Oddly I’ve just been discussing this at board level. A load of plumbing work is done on the dev side to generally make adding finance providers easier.
I’ll provide a more meaningful update next week.
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Phil Topliss
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime Are we any closer with this as we are now using nuvana instore and want to use it online too. or is there a work around solution
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Phil Topliss
Neil McQuillan - CEO Citrus-Lime Hi Are there any updates on the availability of Nuvuna integration. Thanks
Nicola Wright
We are pleased to update that securing an integration with Novuna is well under way. We have been in talks with their Business Development Team and are working hard to secure competitive rates for our customers. We are waiting for a proposal from Novuna and hope to be able to progress the partnership very soon!
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